sOF! _____________ _________ __________|__ __ /___ __ _ ________ ____________\ _____/___ ________ | __ : / / / \\ _____|___ | __ /_\____ /__ / | / :/ /_____/__ \/ / | / / / / / / | /__ /_____________\ \ / / | /__ /___________/ /_____/__ |_____l______/ bds|_______\/ /_______|_____l_____/ acid|_____________/ -------------------------- /______//__ _ ------------------------------------- R E M O R S E ! A S C I I P R E S E N T S __ _ _ __ _:__\ /__:_ | | : : _ ____. _ ___ _ _______ _ ________. ._\\\ |___._\\\__|_._\\\__ \ _\\\ _ | | _ | | / _/ / | | / | | \ \_ / | tGø|_____/ |________|______\____/___________| /______| : : _|__ __|_ : /__ _ _ __\ : A H I R O P R O T A G O N I S T E X P O S E C A L L E D ____ ___ ____ ....... .__\__ \ ._\ /_ ._\_ \_ .......... : | ( \| \ \| (___/_ : : // l___ \___ \___ \_ ĐhP! : : / /______/ /____/ /______/ : ____ ___ _____ _____ ____ ____ ._\_ \_ ._\ /_ / _ /_. / _ /_._\_ \_ ._\_ \_ | (_ _/_| \ \_/ ( |/ ( | (___/_| (_ _/_ l___/ \___ \_ ___l ___l___ \___/ \_ /______/ /____/____\ \______\ /______/ /______/ . ____ ___ ____ . : .__\__ \ ._\ /_ ._\_ \_ : :...... | ( \| \ \| (___/_ ........: l___ \___ \___ \_ /______/ /____/ /______/ D I E R I P P E R D I E ! I've never made a file_id.diz for the group called CLASS before, I wouldn't even know who they are. But let's just suppose for a minute I was going to do one. It might look a little like this: _\______ _____ _ _______ ______ ______/_ .\ ___/_.\ _/____ _ /.\ ___/_.\ ___/___ | | | | _/ _ _|_\__ _|_\__ _/ ::| | | | | | \_ | \_ | |:: _| l _| l | | | l | l | \____ \_____ |___| |____ |____ | [ĐhP!\____l===\___l===l____/==\___l===\___l=] A simple and straight-forward example of a style of mine everyone became familiar with in my ascii collections 'In the Mouth of Madness' (R-ITMOM.TXT) and 'To Serve Man' (R-TSM.TXT). Now consider the following if you would, "made" by Feral of NoName (F3-CLASS.ASC - NoName pack #10): _\_________Ö____ __ ____Ü____________________/_ _\ _____ /____\_ _ __ ______ ____/__ | | /_ | Ö_ _ |____ /_____ /_ ° | .| | .| | ; | .| þ| .| _| l :| : :| Ý : õ :| | :| \_____ :|___ :|___| |___ :|___ :| -----\\____i -\\____| -\\___.: -\\____õ -\\____l c L A S S Ä -Ä---Ä Ä----- -----Ä- - -Ä Ä(fERAL/nONAME)-- Forgoing the fact that it's too wide for a file_id.diz (it's 48 columns), uses control characters ("" and "Ü" both of which could cause strange results if they were fed through a bbs's internal file_id scanner), take a long hard look at it. Or better yet, look at this simplified version: _\______________ _________________________/_ _\ _____ /____\_ _ __ ______ ____/__ | | /_ | _ |____ /_____ /_ | | .| | .| | | | .| | .| _| | :| | :| | | | :| | :| \_____ :|___ :|___| |___ :|___ :| \____| \____| \____| \____| \____| And while you're at it, consider the shading effects I used in the following logo (from R-TSM.TXT): __/\__ _/\____ _/\_ .___ _/\____ .__ ___.\ ___/_.\ _\_ /.\ _/__ _/\___ _/\| /.\ _\_ /.__/\| /. (___) \_ | _ | ___/_.\ ___/ .\ | | _ |\ | | | | | | | | | | ___)__| | | | |_\___ | | | | .| | .| | .| | | | .| | .|. | | ĐhP! __| .| | .| | .| | .| | .| | .| | .|. | |__ \\__ .| | :| | :| | :| | .| | :| | :|: | __// | :| | :| | :| | :| | :| / \ :| | :|: | | | :|___. |___| |__. | | :|___. |___| | .__| | | `---' `---' `----|__. | `---' `---'----' `---' `----' Begining to see the picture? But wait, let's take a look at a technique Whodini developed a while ago: _________________ ____ ____ ________ _________________ .________ ._\\__ / __//_| | |_\\_ |_\\__ /\ __//_| __//_ _| 7 _/| _) | \_/ | | | 7 _/|_\___ | _) | _ _ | 7 | | | | | _ | 7 | 7 |_ | 7 | | | | | | | 7 | | | | _ | | |_ J | | | J | | |_ l |_ l | l____| |/________l____| |_________l____| |/________J/________J wH0l____J<R l____J l____J Of particular interest for us in this case is Whodini's use of "l" and "J", which if you go back to Feral's "original" you'll see running rampant in style.. if not specific character (for you amiga peeps, he's using an IBM high-bit character that looks like a J without the line on the top). So all this sparks the question of where does style influence become style ripping? Personally, I'ld say Feral's "original" outlined here clearly crosses the line. I'ld never claim to have invented the ":" vertical line shading technique, that credit goes to Piromaniak and/or Tinyz (they were the first I ever saw use it), but since we know so few of today's newbies have any idea who either either PMK or TZ is, it's clear where that came from. Feral's font also just happens to bear a striking resemblance to that old style of mine, and it's quite easy to see he ripped my "_\" and "/_" point shading for the top ends of the C and S (for examples of this look in R-TSM.TXT - it's everywhere in that particular colly). It's not often that I feel motivated to do one of these files, despite the fact I see alot of rips floating around out there (especially those of old Lord Nitrogen styles and Megga Hertz's style), but this little disection was prompted by the fact that I had already caught Feral in a small rip (which he didn't release as far as I know) to which he replied he'd be keeping his shit more original in the future. So much for that... I'm more than willing to hear any explaination Feral might have for this, although I honestly believe he can provide no rational explaination for the proof I've presented here. D E A T H T O T H E R I P P E R S ! .ŧ. . .$$$. ,$: sý`.,s#SS#s,. ',$$$$$. ,$$l `,#$Pžý"^^"ČT$b.,s#S$$'$$$. ,$$$$: ,sS$$Ss, ,d$$: dŲý`.,y$$$Sžâ$$$'.`$$$. ,$$'$$l ______ ,$$$ý""ý$$$, `l$$l,,y#$$Pý^`. ,$$$'.$.`$$$.,$$' l$$: .,s#SS#s,.`ýs ',$$$P'.:$$$' .$$$' l$$$$Pý`,s#$$',$$$'.$$$.`$$$$$',.:$$l$Pžý"^^"ČT$b.,s#S$$'.dl:$$$. ,$$$' :$$l'.s$$$$$',$$$'.$$$$$.`$$$'.$l l$$: dĀý`.,y$$$Sžâ$$$'.$$$.`$$$.,$$$' l$$: $$$$$',$$$'.$$$$$$$.`$'.$$$.:$$l,,y#$$Pý^`. ,$$$'.$$$$$.`$$$.```` :$$l l$$$',$$$'.$$$$$$$$$.'.$$$$l l$$$$Pý`.,s$$',$$$'.$$$$$$$.`$$$. _____l$$: $$'.$$$' "ýČS$$b ___ ,$$$$.:$$l'.g$$$$$',$$$'.$$$$$$$$$.`$$$. `$$$$$$$l $'.$$$$#SS#s,.`',$$' ,$$$$$l l$$: $$$$$',$$$'.$$$$$$$$$$$.`$$$. `$$b ssŧ',$Sžý"^``^"ý$$S$$' ^"ýČS$$$ :$$l l$$$',$$$'.$$$$$$$$$$$$P l$$$. `$$b `$b ` .,s#S$ $Sb,`Y$',$$S#s,.`ýb l$$:'$$'.$$$' ýýČS$$$$$$$$',$$$Ų^` `$$b `$$ ` __ $$.```` ` `^"ýČT$$$Ss,:$$l $'.$$$$#SS#s,.`ČS$P',$$$Ų ~ ~~~~~ $' ,$$ Č',sSSs,`$$Sžýý*. `ČS$$$$$$: ,$Sžý"^``^"ý$$b,`,$$$Ų sý` ` . ',$$l$: l$' `$b ',sSSs, ` `T$Pý"^ ` . ` `Y$$$$Ų ` ~~~ :$l $$.` ,$$:d$' `$b :$b `.sý` `Y$' dy l$: `ýĘĘý'$l$$.` ,$P l$: ;' remorse1981 -- ' :$l l$SS$ $$`d$*#$b':$l too much posse. l$: $$$'.$ld$'. `$bl$: ` :$l ýý',d$'`$,__,$$$l $$.`ĘĘý' *.`""` l$: $$. K E E P I T R E A L . . W E ' R E W A T C H I N G . @BEGIN_FILE_ID.DIZ... DIE RIPPER DIE ....... 04-06-97 .. : ____ ____ : _________ \_ \/ _/________ : _ /__/ \/ \_ _ / ___ : \ __/ _`---/_______\ _/___ _/ _`--- --/___\ \___/ _/ _/_\ \___/ : \--'____\__\ \_ __ \--' : : pk/kts \ \_`--------\____/ : :___________\ - _/____ : :\_ / _ | - \_ / REMORSE 1981 . :./ /\__/ ______// /............. .:: \/ /___| \/ Feral tarnishes the last NoName pack by ripping Hiro and Whodini.. read it all here! @END_FILE_ID.DIZ eOF!